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After reading this I went back to my notes on Bayle and realized I had confused Bayle's somewhat lackluster critique of Spinoza which you discuss here with his very skillful critique of Descartes/Malebranche in the articles on Pyrrho and Zeno of Elea. I do think that Bayle's worth a little more than what is said here, and I'll (lazily) copy the quotation and commentary I made, since I don't have the book in front of me. (Especially the part where you said Bayle doesn't comment on Spinoza's definition of substance) "Having once set forth that substance is that which exists by itself, as independently of every efficient cause as of every material one or every subject of inhesion, he could not say that either matter or men's souls were substances. [And he did not] And since, according to the usual view, he divided being into only two species, namely substance and modification of substance, he had to say that matter and men's souls were only modifications of substance. [Not quite: because ‘between’ substance and mode there is attribute] No orthodox person will disagree with him that, according to this definition of substance, there is only one single substance in the universe, and that substance is God. It will only be a question of knowing whether he subdivides the modification of substance into two species. [By this species he will refer to the attributes] In case he makes use of this subdivision and means that one of those two species is what the Cartesians and other Christian philosophers call "created substance," and the other species what they call "accident" or "mode," there will be only a dispute about words between him and them; and it will be very easy to bring his whole system back to orthodoxy and to make his sect vanish; for a person is only inclined to be a Spinozist because he believes that Spinoza has completely overturned the Christian philosophers' system of the existence of an immaterial God governing all things with a perfect liberty. [Spinoza’s mode considers the “created substance”, and the “accident” or “mode” of the scholastics has no metaphysical analogue. I.e. circularity or squareness is not a mode of an object in Spinoza, the object itself is a mode, and it is either a “circular object” or a “square object”—in the sense that those would be human-made descriptions, not metaphysical properties.] From which we can conclude in passing that the Spinozists and their adversaries agree completely about the meaning of the phrase "modification of substance." [Perhaps—but Spinoza’s argument is tacitly that letting things like extension be called “substance” makes no sense.] They both believe that Spinoza employed this term only to designate a being that has the same nature as what the Cartesian philosophers call "modes," and that he never understood by this term a being that had the properties or nature of what we call "created substance."” [Which is wrong of Bayle—Spinoza would not allow for Cartesian modes, and by mode he meant created substance.]

Later: “...I will admit my mistake with the greatest pleasure in the world if it is the case that Spinoza actually was a Cartesian but had been more careful than Descartes in employing the word "substance," and that all of the impiety attributed to him consists only in a misunderstanding.” To be honest I don't fully know what to think of this; I do think Spinoza was more careful than employing "substance" than Descartes, but I don't know how large Bayle thinks the umbrella of "Cartesianism" is, so I don't know what Bayle would have to think Spinoza believes, in order for it "to be the case Spinoza actually was a Cartesian."

I think the right way (and the historical way) to criticize Spinoza is just to critique innate ideas in general (like Locke, Berkeley, Hume), and if you want anything remotely resembling an innate idea back, you have to look to Kant. It would be interesting to get your thoughts on Kant. In my head I just remembered that Bayle's skeptical attacks on rationalism were pretty powerful and inspired Berkeley/Hume, but forgot that his specific attack on Spinoza missed the point of his system.

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